hello I guys I’m the boxing fan who loves to pit one fighter from one era against another from another.here is my dreamfight:hagler vs roy jones jr.would jones be the first to stop hagler?
I dont think so. Marvin Hagler may well be the best Middleweight of all time. You can make a case that he should have been undefeated if not for the politics in boxing. And he has that unbelievable chin. He was relentless. Amazing. Have you seen ‘The War’? Against Tommy ‘Hitman’ Hearns. Again Im a big Roy Jones Jr. fan but I highly doubt if he could be in the shoes of Hearns. And Hearns was a phenomenal puncher too. Hagler by late round TKO. ;D
While i agree with you that Hagler was a beast and an all time great…and that he also faced great fighters like Leonard and Hearns…he never faced such a tremendous athlete like Roy at his prime. Roy was fast, incredible reflexes, and great power. Not saying Marvin couldn’t beat Roy…but a prime Roy is hard to beat by anyone. But you are right…Hagler’s chin and relentless style was amazing. I just see Roy dancing around him.
I’m prob not the best guy to answer this question.
Dont really like RJJ ( a runner )
and thought Hagler was a bit plodding.
But I think RJJ would be too fast and elusive for Hagler.
If Hagler couldnt catch Leonard,he wouldn’t catch RJJ
I thought that Leonard had everything that Jones did. Hagler was robbed by Leonard, so he may well have found himself on the worng end of a robbery controversial points decision against Jones.
What’s undeniable is that Jones would not be able to hurt him, and would probably have been seriously worried about Marvin’s firepower.
To me, Hagler was the better fighter.
roy jones wins 12 ud but if the fight would of been 15 rounds maybe there is a chance for hagler to tko him
This is what Im trying to say. Roy Jones doesnt give much of a difference for Hagler as he have fought Sugar Ray Leonard. And I agree with most fans that he was robbed. I dont think Jones can hide from Hagler cuz Hagler isnt that slow. I love RJJ though and Im sure he wont run from Hagler because he is one proud warrior. He isnt against a heavyweight so he knows he will not look that stupid if he exchange with Hagler. And he wont allow the fans to boo him. So this I say Hagler will win. Styles makes fight and RJJ is just made for Marvin Hagler.
I wished I can give you a cool click ;D
Hagler would, Jones is more chinny than Hearns and not as good SRL
Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.
But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.
Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,
I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.
He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.
So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.
This is from my other topic Monzon v Hagler - what happened?
Thanks for the CC’s I’m glad some of you appreciate my efforts, can you believe it 61 visits and only 5 posts and 2 of those are mine, but anyway I’m not upset
I think neither the early 80’s Leonard or Hearns would have stopped Hagler, I mean they both fought him and I think the outcome’s would have been the same. Allthough I’m going to dig out the Hagler v Leonard fight and watch it agian and feature it on my Re-visited section in the future I mean there’s still alot of controversy surrounding that fight. I think Roy Jones Jnr is an interesting one becuase he had the skill speed and decent power, but the question is he’s never IMO fought anybody near the calibre of Hagler, so would Roy beable to live with “ruff house” tactics? considering that Roy was very good at avoiding shots becuase of his movement and skill, one would think this would go to points but also consider that when Roy’s chin has been exposed recently, he’s been knocked out, yes I know age is a factor etc.
But I would say Hagler beats him on points, I think Roy wouldn’t get caught because he would have his movement (one of the reasons Roy has been KO’ed recently is because of his slowing reflexes and movement, his chin was never tested because he wouldn’t allow it to be tested, hence he had the reflexes and movement). I’ll go for Hagler to win a UD over 15 rounds and a close decision over 12 rounds.
what about
virgil hill
clinton woods
glen kelley 28-0 at that time
montel griffin
all good opponents right there
NO WAY - all the above are decent opponents but that’s it!
You say Glen Kelley was 28 - 0 at the time, but that doesn’t interest me, remind me who Kelley had fought up until then?
I’m not taking anything away from Jones but at the same time I’m not giving him anything that’s not his!
Spot on brudda :coolclick:
That’s OK - but I can give you one (partially to atone for misunderstanding your Joe Frazier post elsewhere)
Ahaha. Thanks man! Sometimes, misunderstandings ends up as blessings in disguise ;D
When I think of Marvin Hagler I think of a professional guy. He took the best punch Tommy Hearns had to offer and wobbled but stayed up. Unbelievable chin and desire. Jones would not have knocked out Marvin, and to win a decision. no way down the stretch. Strategy was needed more than anything, and Jones was fast but would have been worn out by Marvin’s jab and just relentlessness. Someone mentioned if Ray could do it Roy could. Ray studied Marvin for years and watched him as commentator on HBO.. For 6 years he thought about fighting Marvin and saw his buddies like Hearns and Duran fight Marvin. And he knew Hearns and Duran better than anyone and gauged Hagler from those fights. He knew what to do with Hagler and what not to. Ray also had a style to beat Marvin most guys did not. He fought lateral and moved lateral the whole time and most guys cannot more laterally like that the whole fight like Ray. He did not stay on the ropes, He hit and then moved. He just timed Marvin well. Talk about studying a guy. Roy reacted more in fighting but I do not think he looked for weaknesses like Ray. My pick is Marvin to stop Roy in 10 rounds in a good fight for Roy for a few rounds of boxing but a boring start, and then Marvin slowly getting to him and Roy spending too much time on the ropes. This is not all those other opponents of Roy like Gonzales who fought Roy and couldn’t do much when Roy leaned on the ropes, this is Marvin Hagler.
yea but if roy on rope tactic didnt work he would just change tactic and move around ring he wouldnt stay on the ropes if it wasnt working roy was quick possibly faster than ray leonard and roy hit hard remember that body shot he koed hill with ?? well i think roys much better speed and ring movement would beat hagler he would just follow roy all night halgers jab wouldnt bother roy at all roy is one of best fighters ive ever seen in his prime it would take a hell of a man to beat him in my opinion anyway i see 12 round ud for roy
Totally agree with X…Jones would have become worried when Hagler had no respect for Jones power. john Mugabi hit harder than Jones hands down. Hagler took the best Mugabi had to offer. Not that Mugabi was anywhere on the skill level of jones but power wise he was far superior. I also do not believe Jones was a better boxer then Leonard so if Hagler was able to deal with the ring craft of Ray Roy would not be able to overly outbox him…IMO Marvin by TKO late in the fight. Jones becomes dejected and Marvin catches him about 10 or 11
Good post
I agree with you wholeheartedly. This thread is not a put down of Jones, there is no shame in losing to a fighter like Marvelous Marvin.
I just don’t see Roy being able to stay away long enough before getting caught. Hagler KO/TKO.
You can’t use the Ray Leonard fight to compare for a few reasons. 1st, hagler was robbed in that fight. 2nd, hagler wasn’t at the top when he fought leonard. 3rd, hagler fought leonard right handed unnecessarily to prove something. 4th, roy jones dont have the chin of leonard.