It seems as if more and more fighters are burning out/fatiguing in early stages of fights these days.
Do they spend most of their time in the gym and do “a little running here and there”, thus underestimating its importance?
This could a very interesting thread.;D
long distance running (Marciano would run 10 miles per day in the week before the fight) has been dissed and dissed badly ion the past 12 months by major health experts and trainers for actually tearing down the immune system and causing repetitive joint and tendon injuries/weakening joiints. The young plumpy boys fighting now aged 20-30- are really loving that announcement and cutting back on their roadwork. Focusing on “strength training” and less on cardio
this is a fact as I have visited 2 gyms in the Brooklyn area this past month and heard this directly from trainers.
I’ve always thought road work was meant to fill in the gaps, but not be the primary source of stamina in the ring. I feel your bag work, sparring and other boxing relate activities should have more bearing on your stamina/cardio in the ring. I look forward to reading this thread.
[MENTION=8353]Sleepwalker[/MENTION] from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.
Cardio,is the most important aspect, of fitness. Heart is the highway to everything in the body, without cardio, not a lot will improve to apply everything else, from strength balance, explosive fitness or stamina and skill, the ability to apply skill and thought, without a high Vo2 max simple.
[MENTION=8353]Sleepwalker[/MENTION] from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m on the national team and every coach/trainer who I have seen teaches fighters to rest your gloves on your chin and lift the elbows. Think of an elastic band how it goes out slowly and comes back quickly. Now if a fighter has elasticity hooks are going to land on his gloves and if his punches are short (6 inches) straight punches from the opponent won’t get through. There’s no need to turn the left shoulder or head movement or even foot movement for that. Therefore running won’t help make your legs strong.
@Sleepwalker from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m on the national team and every coach/trainer who I have seen teaches fighters to rest your gloves on your chin and lift the elbows. Think of an elastic band how it goes out slowly and comes back quickly. Now if a fighter has elasticity hooks are going to land on his gloves and if his punches are short (6 inches) straight punches from the opponent won’t get through. There’s no need to turn the left shoulder or head movement or even foot movement for that. Therefore running won’t help make your legs strong.[/QUOTE]
Why not.
@Sleepwalker from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m on the national team and every coach/trainer who I have seen teaches fighters to rest your gloves on your chin and lift the elbows. Think of an elastic band how it goes out slowly and comes back quickly. Now if a fighter has elasticity hooks are going to land on his gloves and if his punches are short (6 inches) straight punches from the opponent won’t get through. There’s no need to turn the left shoulder or head movement or even foot movement for that. Therefore running won’t help make your legs strong.[/QUOTE]
Why not.[/QUOTE]
My trainer says that it comes to fibre muscles endurance is activates muscle fibre 1. Fibre 2. Is the fast twitch which is activated by weight and resistance exercises not by running.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKpRKcSb2OQ
@Sleepwalker from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m on the national team and every coach/trainer who I have seen teaches fighters to rest your gloves on your chin and lift the elbows. Think of an elastic band how it goes out slowly and comes back quickly. Now if a fighter has elasticity hooks are going to land on his gloves and if his punches are short (6 inches) straight punches from the opponent won’t get through. There’s no need to turn the left shoulder or head movement or even foot movement for that. Therefore running won’t help make your legs strong.[/QUOTE]
Why not.[/QUOTE]
My trainer says that it comes to fibre muscles endurance is activates muscle fibre 1. Fibre 2. Is the fast twitch which is activated by weight and resistance exercises not by running.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKpRKcSb2OQ[/QUOTE]
Dont think you grasp what He is actually saying, let me know when you do. :rolleyes:
@Sleepwalker from what iv seen alot of it is to do with the trainers not understanding what the judges are looking for.
Iv been a judge in amateur and asked some coaches what they think we need to see. They told me that the punches have to knock the head back!! Thats rubbish. As a judge you are looking for punches that have had effort put in them and not just a pawing jab. Those punches also need to land with the knuckle on the scoring area.
They are teaching their fighters to put everything in to every punch so they come out like Mike Tyson in the first round and blow themselves out. They load up on everything and inevitably most of it doesnt land or score anyway amd they are exhausted for the rest of the fight.
Some of this also comes from not being taugt defense enough. Lots of people who call the,selves trainers like to replicate what they have seen on telly with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the pads and they think this makes them good trainers.
Their fighters are not confident in their ability to defend against punches and will not stand in punching range. They launch themselves with loaded up punches and it just looks messy, tires them and gets them no where on the scoring.
What they should be doing is make the pm feel comfortable standing in punching range and concentrating on landing scoring punches in sparring. Replicate a fight by having the other fighters sat ringside with the clicker counters scoring this sparring. This way everyone gets a good understanding of whats being scored and what the judges need to see rather than just the blind leading the blind.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m on the national team and every coach/trainer who I have seen teaches fighters to rest your gloves on your chin and lift the elbows. Think of an elastic band how it goes out slowly and comes back quickly. Now if a fighter has elasticity hooks are going to land on his gloves and if his punches are short (6 inches) straight punches from the opponent won’t get through. There’s no need to turn the left shoulder or head movement or even foot movement for that. Therefore running won’t help make your legs strong.[/QUOTE]
Why not.[/QUOTE]
My trainer says that it comes to fibre muscles endurance is activates muscle fibre 1. Fibre 2. Is the fast twitch which is activated by weight and resistance exercises not by running.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKpRKcSb2OQ[/QUOTE]
Dont think you grasp what He is actually saying, let me know when you do. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
They don’t care about supination and pronation movements I.e hold a bowl of soup in your hand that is supination and the reverse in pronation. All the docs care about is feeding fighters a cocktail of human growth hormone and testosterone and winny. The specialist asked me what the difference between a 9 km run vs a 10km run. Point being they don’t believe in cardio.
I’m guessing pro vs amateur means a difference in training just due to the rounds involved. That being said it has been 20 years since I have been in a boxing gym and back then we all trained the same. So I will shut up now and let more intelligent people contribute.
What I see things havent changed to much. Same old, but they have changed the names :rolleyes:
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What I see things havent changed to much. Same old, but they have changed the names :rolleyes:
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That is actually good to hear. I joined the gym at 12 when it first opened. (6 days a week until I left for college at 18 ) We lived in a welfare community and it was an old school house that they decided could be a boxing club with some government money I’m guessing. Fees were supposed to be $30/month but if you couldn’t afford it you could still come. I’m not sure anyone paid. Except $50 for your fight card when you were ready to actually fight. Gym was an open building and we pretended to skip without ropes until we bought our own and pretended to spar until they got gloves to do so. Even just being an empty building for the first year I got in great shape with stretching (which I thought was stupid at the time and since learned otherwise and know you have a lot of great advice on that area), shadow boxing, pushups, various core exercises and whatever other creative things they did to get us in shape until we got medicine balls, bags, gloves etc. I remember using goalie pads as the mitts a trainer would normally use for training. I remember being hit repeatedly in the stomach with something that looked like a giant Q- tip but was quite a bit denser. But road work was our own thing. They trusted us to do so many hours a week outside the gym. And we all did it. I initially thought road work was stupid as well with all the training I was doing. After my first real fight which I lost I changed my opinion. As a wise man once said fatigue makes cowards of us all. That being said I think there are other ways we can accomplish the same result and perhaps more effectively. But I am a simple man and if my son decides to box I will make him run. But like I said, it has been quite some time since I have been in a fighting gym and maybe things have changed. But I’m still going to make the little bastard run.
Hi;
Wow, a boxer from an actual national team!
I was just wondering if you could help me out by explaining some of your points in greater detail, as I think a clearer explanation could be really interesting.
- National Team! Cool! Which one?
- If you rest your gloves on your chin and lift your elbows, wouldn’t that leave most of your head unprotected? and all of your body? Isn’t that kinda dangerous?
- Maybe I’m not advanced enough to understand your technique… your description was too complicated for me… But how does that clarify that running doesn’t make your legs strong?
Don’t all military’s internationally use running to enhance endurance in the legs?
- How does supination and pronation relate to the cardiovascular system?
- Human growth hormone; sorry for the rookie question; but wouldn’t HGH be counterproductive in boxing; as enducing hypertrophy would see guys climbing weight without actual increases in force development?
- Is synthetic testosterone use common in boxing?
- Is Winstrol commonly used by fighters? I would’ve thought that this would have been very easily detected by any level of testing?
- They don’t believe in cardio? Wow, could you explain that to me in detail; I can’t seem to grasp your thought process here.
[MENTION=28009]red fox[/MENTION]
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- National Team! Cool! Which one?
- If you rest your gloves on your chin and lift your elbows, wouldn’t that leave most of your head unprotected? and all of your body? Isn’t that kinda dangerous?
- Maybe I’m not advanced enough to understand your technique… your description was too complicated for me… But how does that clarify that running doesn’t make your legs strong?
Don’t all military’s internationally use running to enhance endurance in the legs?
- How does supination and pronation relate to the cardiovascular system?
- Human growth hormone; sorry for the rookie question; but wouldn’t HGH be counterproductive in boxing; as enducing hypertrophy would see guys climbing weight without actual increases in force development?
- Is synthetic testosterone use common in boxing?
- Is Winstrol commonly used by fighters? I would’ve thought that this would have been very easily detected by any level of testing?
- They don’t believe in cardio? Wow, could you explain that to me in detail; I can’t seem to grasp your thought process here.[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=28009]red fox[/MENTION]
- National Team! Cool! Which one?
- If you rest your gloves on your chin and lift your elbows, wouldn’t that leave most of your head unprotected? and all of your body? Isn’t that kinda dangerous?
- Maybe I’m not advanced enough to understand your technique… your description was too complicated for me… But how does that clarify that running doesn’t make your legs strong?
Don’t all military’s internationally use running to enhance endurance in the legs?
- How does supination and pronation relate to the cardiovascular system?
- Human growth hormone; sorry for the rookie question; but wouldn’t HGH be counterproductive in boxing; as enducing hypertrophy would see guys climbing weight without actual increases in force development?
- Is synthetic testosterone use common in boxing?
- Is Winstrol commonly used by fighters? I would’ve thought that this would have been very easily detected by any level of testing?
- They don’t believe in cardio? Wow, could you explain that to me in detail; I can’t seem to grasp your thought process here.[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=28009]red fox[/MENTION][/QUOTE]
First off I won’t tell you my team for good reasons! Look if you got power than why use your legs. If your a ko artist than just lift your elbows, why go the full 12 inches in reach when you can ko your opponent with a 6 inch punch.
Elasticity principle fully extend a rubber band than have it retract. If your arms possess elasticity in your punches than your hand should come back faster than it went out. Providing that the punches are straight how could one penetrate it. The hand is going to come back to my chin before your glove lands.
- National Team! Cool! Which one?
- If you rest your gloves on your chin and lift your elbows, wouldn’t that leave most of your head unprotected? and all of your body? Isn’t that kinda dangerous?
- Maybe I’m not advanced enough to understand your technique… your description was too complicated for me… But how does that clarify that running doesn’t make your legs strong?
Don’t all military’s internationally use running to enhance endurance in the legs?
- How does supination and pronation relate to the cardiovascular system?
- Human growth hormone; sorry for the rookie question; but wouldn’t HGH be counterproductive in boxing; as enducing hypertrophy would see guys climbing weight without actual increases in force development?
- Is synthetic testosterone use common in boxing?
- Is Winstrol commonly used by fighters? I would’ve thought that this would have been very easily detected by any level of testing?
- They don’t believe in cardio? Wow, could you explain that to me in detail; I can’t seem to grasp your thought process here.[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=28009]red fox[/MENTION][/QUOTE]
First off I won’t tell you my team for good reasons! Look if you got power than why use your legs. If your a ko artist than just lift your elbows, why go the full 12 inches in reach when you can ko your opponent with a 6 inch punch.
Elasticity principle fully extend a rubber band than have it retract. If your arms possess elasticity in your punches than your hand should come back faster than it went out. Providing that the punches are straight how could one penetrate it. The hand is going to come back to my chin before your glove lands.[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=10798]Donny[/MENTION]
[MENTION=28009]red fox[/MENTION]. Absolute gibberish stud.