(I hope this works. I’ve never made a table in the forum before. )
So anyway, we normally dis p4p lists. But we also can’t resist taking more than a few peeks at them. They’re also good for discussion.
I actually wanted to include a 5th source, but the table would only accept four columns. Oh well… the source I left out was Boxing P4P. They had Canelo 3rd, so I automatically threw them out.
Interesting seeing the discrepancies in the lists. The Ring’s is the oldest (Jan 15th), but I won’t hold that against them. So I found some interesting things…
Obviously, Inoue and Usyk were either #1 or #2 on everyone’s list. (Well, Usyk was 11th on Boxing P4P’s list, which is another reason I threw them out. Canelo at #3, and Usyk 11th?? Hell… a 10-year old could come up with a better list).
I liked that Oscar Collazo snuck in at #10 on The Ring’s list. Little guys need some love too.
Crawford is treated badly by these lists. #3 in Boxing Metrics, but #7 with BoxRec, and outside the top 10 in The Ring and Boxing Only. Don’t agree with that.
Thanks for the suggestion, @TIC
So here are those other rankings. It must be said that ESPN’s list is from January. Nice to see TBRB giving Oscar Collazo some love as well.
As the others, Inoue and Usyk divided the top spots. I did notice that Crawford was missing from both lists. Yes, he is retired, which makes it odd that Boxing Metrics and The Ring both still have him on their lists. ESPN didn’t rank Alvarez at all, of which I’m glad.
Also noticed that Opetaia is only on one of the lists (neither TBRB nor ESPN have him Top 10). Must be due to the lack of big names in his weight division. The curse of being a cruiser.
Inoue and Usyk totally split the top spot, though it must be said that Boxing P4P (which I discarded for having Canelo at 3rd and Usyk at 11th) had Inoue #1.
Bam and Shakur tied for the 2nd spot, both averaging 4.7 on their placement (where Bam was hurt by placing 9th on Boxing Metrics).
Benavidez was 5th at 7.8
Nakatani was 6th at 8.5
Haney was 7th at 9.8
(It must be said that Haney was 11th on two lists that went beyond the Top Ten).
Bivol wasn’t on BoxRec, and Beterbiev wasn’t on BoxRec nor TBRB.
cheers for the stats. you seem to like p4p lists, you should put together a monthly/ bi monthly p4p list for saddo’s based on members input. do a list or 7 or 8 to be different from the standard 10 everywhere else
Good spread and wider look Tito. Tbh I’ve never delved too much into P4P because it hits a pretty arbitrary wall of sorts. Have always looked at as emphasized for marketing and sort of flavor of the month but is a solid display of the very best currently. Now in what order, well that’s where it’s up to the individual. Do we count belts, count defenses of some belts deemed more worthy than others etc. Number of divisions? I’ve always put most of the merit of some type of “who would beat who” if the exact same imaginary p4p weight. Then again who can imagine a strawweight Beterbiev…kinda scary …or a heavyweight Collazo. Also overall competition carries a ton of weight. I remember back in the day when Margarito beat Cotto I and he was instantly slotted into Cottos spot. Even as a fan back then it made no sense to me. A fighter can do that per division, but definitely not best of the very best overall. Also when Broner was elevated #5 P4P by the Ring way back. That was for sure the marketing aspect for me. Good stuff bud.
Thanks, @Spicoli
P4P is as subjective as it gets, but it makes for a wonderful bar conversation.
People put different weights on things. Some put a lot of weight on number of weight divisions conquered. Others look strictly at W-L records. Still others look mostly at quality of opposition.
To that, I would add the willingness to fight anybody, anytime, anywhere. Those I perceive to constantly duck, or otherwise avoid potentially dangerous opponents, strike a bad chord with me. I see their lofty status as protected and/or manufactured.
So I like to see how different boxing sites or orgs differ in their p4p rankings. An interesting exercise for me. But yeah, I like @TIC 's idea of putting together a consensus Saddo p4p list every so often. I bet our consensus list would rival that of any of these other boxing sites.
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