If his feet are still ,most fighters straighten up slightly and go for straight pop shots at their head when they do that.
Instead follow the path of his head with swings and you’ll meet it comming back.
You can do the same if you shuffle along with his move.
Is he good enough to come up through an opening he creates by moving with an uppercut from down there?
He’s world champ at kickboxing this year and has three euro boxing titles underage.
Yet he’s weak as water, with no chin…the reason he’s so good is because he can’t be touched, there is no shoulder to shoulder game with him and he’s ambidextrous…
Horrible to think I’ve slipped this much!!!
But I’ve been progressing, I turned the tables by creating a stale mate. He can’t win if he can’t hit me. He’s a counterpuncher, If he doesn’t see opportunities and counterpunch he can’t score points. So I go backward…If he has any desire to score he must come forward. When he does attack THEN I let go of three hard with at least one to the body. It’s working and we’re drawing back even.
His feet are never still…
Its a style he got when we did Muay thai and Kickboxing and weren’t used to the kicks.
He adapted his style to superdefensive where as I changed mine to ultra aggresive slipping coming forward!
Oh! nasty little fucker. Oh well maybe a martial move may help against him then..you could use the ‘double back’ to get out from there real fast then do your old stuff as he rises and turns back into you.But you wil have to race back into him as he does.
Try pulling your lead foot back behind your rear leg and change gloves left for right as you do (your in switch stance and out of range totaly) then do it again instantly so you then take your now lead right foot back behind your left foot and your backwards from the oringinal starting position by at least six feet..so long as the ropes arent there.(if they are, sit down in them and recosheea off them out on a new angle) You can do this “double back” on some accute angles if you practice it and you can be covered the whole way if your arms remain in front and just take each others positions out there as you retreat out on any angle,the only difference is the foot you go around swivels in one spot. Doing it only once and switching to go out of reach on his threatening side but landing on his off side and nailing him with weight as you land is a possiblitiy but very involved and has be initiated off one of his moves that you already know where he will end up.(so you’ve studied him and then you practice with another partner against the move).
But the original works for anyone safley.
I didn’t know that was a martial technique but I had been toying with the idea!!!
Thanks Andre. He’s gifted and fits perfectly the mould I’m looking for…Better than anyone I’ll meet in competition.
We’re in the same division but We split the comp…he took under 21’s and intermediate…I go for Senior. If I win itl be the “grand slam” for our club
Cool, practice landing in the sweet spot with someone else copying his moves.
Will do.
The best part is we’re working together. He says that in all the nationals he wasn’t in with anyone as aggresive as me so thats a good sign and I’ve told him I haven’t found anyone else as good defensively somlooks like were joint favs!!!
Would anyone consider putting up some videos of examples?
CUT OFF THE RING. And remember even if his upper body is moving his abdomen isnt moving as much or as fast. jab to tho body is always a good tool to set up a right hand combonation against an elusive fighter. Unpredictibility is key too, side to side movement and fainting punches should also get you in a better position. Also counter punchers almost always cant stand pressure. They want to counter with one or two punches, for instance you throw a jab and he throws a right hand over the top and perhaps a left hook after that. Throw punches in bunches instead of trying to land one or two at a time. DOnt worry so much about landing the first punch you throw. Hit or miss it will get you in range. A missed punch doesnt have to be a wasted punch.
What works best for me in sparring is getting my ass kicked. What I mean by that is the best partner I have now for sparring is a guy at my club who is very skilled and who when I first got to my new club I went 4 rounds with him and I don’t think I hit him once. Now I hit him all the time, and I even manage to hit him hard enough and plenty enough to piss him off that he finds new and interesting way to hit me. lol
His name is PK, is 7 yrs older and 10 lbs heavier then me, and he just fought and beat D’Quan Harper 3-0 a new Michigan Golden Gloves champ this past Sat. at the fight mine got cancelled. And every time I sparr him I learn, and yes, I learn by paying with an ass whooping. But I respect him and I think he might respect me, because I won’t stop and plan on sparring him until I can take him. 
CUT OFF THE RING. And remember even if his upper body is moving his abdomen isnt moving as much or as fast. jab to tho body is always a good tool to set up a right hand combonation against an elusive fighter. Unpredictibility is key too, side to side movement and fainting punches should also get you in a better position. Also counter punchers almost always cant stand pressure. They want to counter with one or two punches, for instance you throw a jab and he throws a right hand over the top and perhaps a left hook after that. Throw punches in bunches instead of trying to land one or two at a time. DOnt worry so much about landing the first punch you throw. Hit or miss it will get you in range. A missed punch doesnt have to be a wasted punch.[/quote]
Ha I’ll see if I can post a vid of this guy. He’s Olympic Quality already.
Mate i would love to see that video, never really encountered a good counter puncher.
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Mate i would love to see that video, never really encountered a good counter puncher.[/quote]
Well man, I’ll try get it.
He’s pretty lethal at it, although seriously unorthodox!
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-PybmMePA[/video]
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Mate i would love to see that video, never really encountered a good counter puncher.[/quote]
Ok check 30 seconds in , inslow motion from round one, that’s a great double block and counterpunch.
a nifty little defensive one is hold your hands straight out. literally, on his shoulders, just lean on them lightly. it’s risky but it pushes his guard wide.
ali used to do it.
in close, cross your arms the way the great archie moore and ken norton did.
for those who cave up in defense, don’t tense, relax and keep a relaxed look on your face.
a dirty trick now. when you miss, lean your head on the opponent.
stand on southpaws feet.
if somebody paws with their jab like klitschko, you grab the lead arm, hold on tight then throw your right.
Why?
You only see it occasionally and its more a natural reaction that works really well;
The quick elbow up like an extended bridge to deflect one that comming over the top of the same arm you see it occasionally and instinctivley during a war.
And that other one too we talked about Chris where you have missed ,your arm is straight ,your arms extended and they come over the top of it ,so you leave it out there and just turn your center line to face their arm and it stops it dead.
Both those could have combinations and set footwork put onto them so that they are made to work for you even better: like walking through their blocked arm and covering the other free arm with a hook or rip up the inside as you head out the other way.(nice way out of a corner)
I can see how a rising block can work out of a cross armed defense, but I don’t see any redeeming points for using that stance. ???
In Archie Moore’s case, I think he was able to do some nifty moves not so much because he made a wall with his arms, but because his shoulders were square to his opponent which allowed him to use both arms to good effect when he would slip to the inside of his opponent’s jab. He’d stop his opponent’s right hand while coming in and then bang away with the other hand.
And that other one too we talked about Chris where you have missed ,your arm is straight ,your arms extended and they come over the top of it ,so you leave it out there and just turn your center line to face their arm and it stops it dead.
Hmmm, it sounds like a sort of leverage block, like how one fighter’s jab can deflect anothers. I like the one you mentioned because of the economy of movement and how it allows you to follow up with a hard right hand.
Good Stuff.
I find aggresive Fighting works well for me personaly as i am strong.iv always fought this way and wouldnt change it.Works well with the judges if it goes the distance as they like boxers who go forward
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Not sure cross your arms maybe the wrong word.
I’d love someone to cross their arms when i can reach them ,you just pin the front one to the rear one as you move in and go to work with your free arm so its no arms verses one nasty one for a second.
:-\ Maybe he ment the elbow up at temple level with the same fist down angled across to other side of your chin and the other arm elbow down fist up so its a loose type of peek a boo but can give you protection from below and the space to see, but you have to control them with one arm dropping and the other launching around their attack in a hook as you move (ok to counter those who go low bodily and throw double armed upper cuts when you start to cover up one arm comes down like a bar ,you lean slightly block, step out sideways turn back in and and hook. Unlike the peek a boo where you can just take it on the arms and gloves and wait the opening or go lower and search for one.
Nose to nose You can even go from peek a boo gloves up elbows down (the opening is in between your elbows,) he goes and leans forwrds even lower and throws rising stright shots or uppercuts, you transit to elbow up elbow down as you start to turn for protection so your lower arm contacts and blocks them as you step out you can exchange arms, top arm comes down and makes contact over the top of his arm on the same side your heading out to , the original lower arm follows your leg out and around and is then head hunting him (temple shot) from the unseen side your stepping to, it lands as you turn back to him releasing the side of you thats closer to him by pulling that foot around behind you. Looks unco but your in control and not walking into anything your moving away from the threat and disguising your final intention.
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Not to criticize you, but why not just just feint while you’re coming in? You can still good reaction out of your opponent this way, especially if you landed a few quick jabs while moving in prior to that. A dangerous move could be that you throw your jab out slow to draw a right hand from your opponent that you’d be ready to counter. This in itself could be dangerous because they might go for a counterjab, or go for the other openings.
You could give them a tap on their head to bring their guard up and then go for the opening on their body where ever you see them. It might work too to feint higher than you would normally feint to make them bring their hands up to their forhead to give you many openings to choose from. You can throw a jab if that’s what does the trick, or even hook up high.
One thing that I liked when I watched the old time greats like Benny Leonard and Tommy Loughran is that they’d feint with their feet. They would take take a quick step forward often while incorporating a hand feint, and just as their opponent leads they take a step back. Sometimes the opponent would react to the feint by bringing their hands up. then Loughran or Leonard would go after the opening. It’s like a mongoose provoking the snake, moving quickly away from it’s deadly strike and biting it on the neck. Just like Grey said, "Make them lead, make them miss, and good luck.
There’s also another way that you can feint with your feet. This is done by a feint at side-stepping, make them think that you’re shifting your attack to the right, and right when they buy it quickly side-step to the left. You then have them in a bad position and can attack to their side. There are many different variations of this that you can practice. I think this is a lot better than the stupid side to side movement that often leads to walking into a right hand.[/quote]
I’m surprised at how many quality fighters don’t sell the feints with their leg and/or the hands. To me it seems very obvious and I started doing it without being told to do it. Now I practice feints all the time. When first started sparring, I was getting countered with rights over my jab constantly until I got decent enough at feinting AND slipping the right. I’m no where near fast enough to drop the left AFTER a jab to bait a cross.